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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:01 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				That is correct.  (and your way is so much easier than my way!) 
 
lol my much more challenging approach goes like this. 
 
You set up a differential equation:
 
dy/dt=kty
 
dy=kydt
 
integral (1/y)dy=integral of (k)dt
 
ln(abs(y))=kt+C
 
e^ln(abs(y))= ln^kt+ ln^C
 
abs(y)=Ce^kt
 
plugging in values for this problem:
 
1/2=e^5730k
 
ln(.5)= 5730k
 
k= about -.000121
 
y=Ce^-0.000121t
 
y=10e^(-0.000121 * 2000)
 
y= 7.851
 
and 7.851 grams is the answer!
 
 
Your way is slightly less accurate but nontheless closs enough to be considered correct and deffinitly much faster and easier. 
 
 
btw abs=absolute value
 
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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:23 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				So no one but me likes to give questions?
 
 
f"(x)= x^2+3cosx when f(1)1 and f'(1)=5
 
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		TrekkieMage Office Junkie
  
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				 Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:11 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				I'm assuming you want f(x)? Here's what I got:
 
 
f(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - 3/4
 
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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:44 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				That is close but not all the way correct (and yes I was asking so..and that should be F(1)=1)
 
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		TrekkieMage Office Junkie
  
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				 Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:06 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				That should be right...I just double checked it. What was your answer?
 
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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:43 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				I checked with my CAS so I know I'm right
 
 
f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1 + C
 
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		TrekkieMage Office Junkie
  
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				 Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:39 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				But if f(1)=1 and f'(1)=5 you should be able to solve for c.
 
 
Where did you get the extra sines and cosines? And 3cos1 = 3 and 3sin1 = 0 so that last part would be 25/6 + 3 + 0 + c
 
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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:47 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				haha sorry the C shouldn't be there...reflex 
 
 
f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 +3sinx + C
 
 
since f'(1) = 5 
 
 
f'(1) = (1/3) 1^3 +3sin1 + C = 5
 
 
C= 5- (1/3) - 3sin1  = 14/3 -3sin1
 
 
Therefore
 
 
f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 + 3sinx + 14/3 - 3sin1
 
 
F(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x + C
 
 
f(1) = 1  and so, 
 
 
f(1) = (1/2) - 3cos1 + (14/3) - 3sin1 + C = 1
 
 
C= 1- (1/2) - (14/3) + 3cos1 + 3sin1 = -25/6 + 3cos1 +3sin1
 
 
f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1
 
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		TrekkieMage Office Junkie
  
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				Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x.
 
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		lionhead Rear Admiral
  
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				 Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:50 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				Great, now they think they can put 3 in 1.      
 
 
 
i'm sorry, inside joke.
 
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		Defiant Fleet Admiral
  
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				 Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:20 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				I llike math.
 
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		5thhouse Rear Admiral
  
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				 Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:48 am     | 
			 
			
				
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				 	  | TrekkieMage wrote: | 	 		  | Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x. | 	  
 
 
nope...I cheated and used a question from a math test that I have the solutions to...my CAS (Computer Algebra System) gives the same answer...just to tripple check I brought the problem to another professor. In short what I provided is correct.
 
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		TrekkieMage Office Junkie
  
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				 Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:24 am     | 
			 
			
				
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				But both 3sin1 and (3sin1)x are 0. So the final equation can certainly be simplified - does the CAS just ignore it? I guess I just don't understand what this CAS is...
 
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		Sevensquare Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				if your thinking in radians sin(1)=.8415 and cos(1)=.5403
 
 everything else is perfect
 
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				 Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:48 am     | 
			 
			
				
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				Just for kicks:
 
 
What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to?
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:45 pm    converg | 
			 
			
				
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				you are saying lim x -> n (2^n/3^n+1)    this is 0.
 
It is the same as ((2/3)^n) * (1/3) Any fraction that is powered goes to 0
 
I've got a good one for the audience.
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:55 pm    Random chords | 
			 
			
				
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				If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle)
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:32 pm    Expostulate | 
			 
			
				
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				There are three possible answers as explained in the book. There is also a fourth answer that is also correct. Anyone who wants to try.
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:25 am    Description | 
			 
			
				
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				I should be posting some images to provide some idea about the answer. The first solution is the simplest and the other two a little more detailed. The fourth I discovered after some meditation but they all make sense.
 
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		Oliver Thought Maker
  
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				 Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:15 pm    Re: Random chords | 
			 
			
				
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				 	  | Manitou wrote: | 	 		  | If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle) | 	  
 
 
I think it's 2/3.
 
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		Oliver Thought Maker
  
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				 Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:20 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				 	  | TrekkieMage wrote: | 	 		  Just for kicks:
 
 
What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to? | 	  
 
 
The demoninator is always larger than the nominator so the answer is zero.
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:14 pm    First answer | 
			 
			
				
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				The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles.
 
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		Oliver Thought Maker
  
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				 	  | Manitou wrote: | 	 		  | The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles. | 	  
 
 
Yes I understand, but the question was a probability question.
 
The chance that a random chord is greater than the radius, is 4/6 or 2/3. When the chord starts in a corner of the hexagon, it can end in any one of the six triangles. If it ends up in 4, its length is larger than the radius. So it's 4/6.
 
 
Am I right or did I over see something?
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		Oliver Thought Maker
  
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				 Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:04 am    Re: First answer | 
			 
			
				
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				sorry, double post
 
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		Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
  
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				 Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:22 pm     | 
			 
			
				
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				Yes but if the chord passing through the circle is longer than any of the sides of the equilateral triangle its mid-pt sits somewhere on the height of the triangle, which would be =< then sq. rt. 3 divided by 2.  If the chord is less than the radius it's mid-pt would sit somewhere of what's left after sq.rt. 3 divided by two.
 
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