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lesleyisamonkey Crewman
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Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:54 am Seven of Nine and Locutus |
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In STV season 5 Dark Frontier, the Borg queen mentions that Seven of Nine is the first Borg to leave the collective but what about when Picard became Locutus. He was assimilated by the Borg and left the collective to return to the Enterprise. Is this a contradiction in the storyline?
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:52 am |
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But as a Borg, she meant. As Seven used her Borg memories and skills throughout the series, had nanoprobes in her blood and whatnot. Picard returned to being a regular human being, retaining nothing that could be called "Borg". Seven was the first Borg removed from the Borg collective that could still be called a Borg.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:11 am Re: Seven of Nine and Locutus |
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lesleyisamonkey wrote: | In STV season 5 Dark Frontier, the Borg queen mentions that Seven of Nine is the first Borg to leave the collective but what about when Picard became Locutus. He was assimilated by the Borg and left the collective to return to the Enterprise. Is this a contradiction in the storyline? |
It's a plot hole.
Even Memory Alpha comments on it:
Quote: | The Queen tells Seven she is the first drone that has regained its individuality, apparently denying the existence of Hugh and the rest of Lore's rogue Borg faction and disregarding Captain Jean-Luc Picard's assimilation into Locutus. |
Source: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dark_Frontier#Background_Information
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:40 am |
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Hahahaha... denial is an ugly thing...
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:55 am Seve of Nine of the Borg |
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The queen repeatedly calls Seven of Nine a 'unique drone'.
The queen is implying she is the first 'unique drone' to be completely removed from the collective and have removed the transcievers and amplifiers that connected her to the collective.|||
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milan Lieutenant Commander
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:32 am |
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... so?
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Cange Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:07 pm |
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well its not because she say so that she is deffenatly right...i mean how many time did the borg mentionned that resistance was futile and did end up getting theyr butt kick
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:41 am |
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Hah, little misfired spite-arrow, turn back on your way, because the same thing is true about the Dominion.
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Cange Lieutenant
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:03 pm |
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this has nothing to do with the dominion,its just something that most fan tend to forget is,thats its not because someon in the show say something thats it has to be true.
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:52 pm |
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As usual, you don't get what I'm saying. You talked about the Borg getting their butt kicked often and I told you about the same thing happening to Dominion forces. Also, the fact that the Borg had their butts kicked often had nothing to do with this thread, you just wrote that in to spite us. And I pointed out that you have nothing to gloat about, the same buttkicking action applied often enough to the Dominion forces too. Also, my point with the Dominion had to do with your answer, while your bringing up the Borg's losing battles had nothing to do with this thread. So you should think before saying what has nothing to do with what in here ok? Don't take it personally, I like you anyway.
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Cange Lieutenant
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:57 pm |
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the whole point was just sayin that its not because a character talk that he is actualy right,and the borg thing was just an example,i could have said the same about the jack pack prediction about the federation loosing the war on the dominion
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Janeway74656 Sophomore Cadet
Joined: 29 Jan 2010 Posts: 12 Location: North America
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:21 pm Re: Seven of Nine and Locutus |
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lesleyisamonkey wrote: | In STV season 5 Dark Frontier, the Borg queen mentions that Seven of Nine is the first Borg to leave the collective but what about when Picard became Locutus. He was assimilated by the Borg and left the collective to return to the Enterprise. Is this a contradiction in the storyline? |
I never looked at it as a plot hole. I took it as a lie. Locutus isn't the only one who "left" the collective. Hugh and his buddies also did it in TNG, and Riley et al did it in the Voyager ep "Unity".
I think the Queen was doing what she does best, manipulate the person before her to do what the Queen wants her to do. Its not as if lying is foreign to the Queen, we see her do it later when she pretends she's found the Delta Flyer and is assimiating the inhabitants as she spoke to Seven. Seven rightly guessed THAT lie, since she couldn't feel their presence in the hive mind.
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:49 am |
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Finally, someone who uses his head for a change, not only gives in to the hate campaign. I find it preposterous too that Star Trek writers, some of the most thorough writers of series, should just "forget" that hey, Hugh, Locutus, etc... THis is as good an explanation as mine is. Especially that there are no arguments one way or the other that could decide this debate.
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Hockey Ensign
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 47 Location: Europe
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Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:37 pm |
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Hear, hear. I agree with Janeway74656.
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Lt.TomParis Crewman
Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Location: Alaska
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Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:45 pm Re: Seven of Nine and Locutus |
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lesleyisamonkey wrote: | In STV season 5 Dark Frontier, the Borg queen mentions that Seven of Nine is the first Borg to leave the collective but what about when Picard became Locutus. He was assimilated by the Borg and left the collective to return to the Enterprise. Is this a contradiction in the storyline? |
What about 3rd of 5? Not from Dark Frontier, but Hughe
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